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TerryDunneParticipant
I hear you. Unpleasant but not fatal.
TerryDunneParticipantA bit of an early morning slap Nick, but these things happen. Somebody wise might say “…next 1,000 trades…”
However, it does reinforce my ‘issue’ with shorting…this is exactly the thing that I have been fretting about, not specifically AMC, but generally. I know I’ll lose some diversification but I’m strongly considering canning my short systems. I just don’t like the unlimited risk.
Ironically, given the discussion on my progress journal, this is much more annoying to me than the (in my opinion) much smaller risk of some huge market wide one day down move. I know there is Black Monday, but even the Flash Crash rebounded on the day.
TerryDunneParticipantThanks Nick!
TerryDunneParticipantThanks Julian, can’t argue with anything you said.
TerryDunneParticipantHi Trent,
What I’ve told myself is that on those big down days, I’ll have a larger position size (bad) but also a larger stretch (good) so my entry price should be better than most, unless there is just a big gap of course. I’m also less likely to be fully in the market as my index filters work differently to most.
The increased position size is about 33% right now, but I’m coming to the conclusion that this is too large. I think I’ll either reduce the size of the multiplier across the board or else have some sort of scaling process. I don’t think I’ll bin the whole idea though, as it really ramps up profits when on a roll. It also reduces more quickly when there are losses, from the same mechanism.
Regards,
Terry
TerryDunneParticipantHi Howard,
I place a maximum of 10 orders (per system) into IB each night. Each trade has the larger position size, so all other things being equal, if all of my trades triggered I’d overdraw.
However, I usually don’t place orders for all of my systems each day and, even if I do, I don’t ever have all of my limit prices reached. For example, last night I placed 0 orders across my 12 MOC systems. Even when I place the entire 120 orders, I’ve never had more than (approximately) 20 trades result.
So, I’m not concerned about overdrawing, but now I’m wondering whether maybe I should be
My (niggling) concern is about the leverage.
Best wishes,
Terry
TerryDunneParticipantI have 4 MOC systems operating on the R2000. I’ve allocated roughly 20% of my capital to them. I trade 10 positions on each and use the full leverage. Where the same stock comes up in more than one system, I take all of the signals. So in the ‘worst’ case, up to 2% of my total capital can be exposed to one stock.
BUT
I’m doubling up on profits/(losses) in calculating position size. An example – assume an opening portfolio of 100 and YTD profit of 10, standard position size (based on 10 positions) would be 11. I’m using double the profit in the calculation so my position size becomes 12. This sounds fine but I’ve had a good year so far, which means instead of adding 50 profit to 100 portfolio, I’m adding 100. In this example each position is 20 where it would usually be 15. This is a change I made after reading one of Nick’s articles suggesting something similar (I hope I’m not misquoting you Nick?). Obviously this can’t go on because in a few years I’d have enormous positions, but my current thinking would be to reset beach year. However, even backing the impact of that out, my profit would reduce by a quarter, so not 44% but 33%.
A couple of other points:
– I got lucky in May – I hit a pile of big movers (e.g. LMND, PLUG, SPCE) mid month. If I recall correctly, each of them made 30% ish. This is the change in their price from entry to exit, not the leveraged profit.
– I use a large stretch, so I get fewer trades,so my downside risk is reduced. As well, my upside potential is increased (I think) once I do get a trade.So, I get that I’m running a somewhat larger position size but my balls are very small so even if they’re deep, I don’t think they’re very deep.
I’m really interested in opinions on this – as I mentioned above, I’m not sure I’m doing it right.
Best wishes,
Terry
TerryDunneParticipantMay 2021
MOC 1000 17.94%
MOC 2000 43.72%
MR 2000 (7.70%)
MOC Short (3.86%)
Momentum 7.06%
Total 16.00%Naturally, I’m very pleased. However, I’m concerned that maybe I’m carrying too much risk. I recall Nick posting a story long ago about one of his students trading futures who was going great – until he went broke and worse because he was using too much leverage. This needs thought as I don’t want to be holding my breath each morning as I look at the night’s results.
I’m bouncing around a bit from idea to idea at the moment, trying to find at least one more longer term system. I looked for a while at market breadth, now spending time on good old fashioned Dow theory.
Best wishes to all,
Terry
TerryDunneParticipantHi Taranveer,
My suggestion in a word – hysteresis.
Use a close below the moving average of the low to exit and a close above the moving average of the high to enter…whipsaws gone!
Regards,
Terry
TerryDunneParticipantHi Oli,
I don’t think your plan actually does use 4x leverage. Practically speaking, you are unlikely to get many (if any) short trades on a day you get long trades (and vice versa). I suppose you might have a ‘generous’ filter and very small stretches, so I guess it’s possible. I just think it’s unlikely.
I also note that you refer to them as different systems. In that case, I don’t fully see the value in treating them as the same system in terms of portfolio management – can’t they just be two different systems? If so, then your problem disappears?
Best wishes,
Terry
TerryDunneParticipantHi Matthew,
I have started playing around with market breadth, so was very interested in the indicators you created – nice work BTW.
Given that almost a year has now passed, I was wondering whether they have performed as you had hoped and/or whether you are using them in your trading.
Thanks and regards,
Terry
TerryDunneParticipantWell, from the sublime to the…whatever this is
MOC 1000 (2.1%)
MOC 2000 0.74%
MR 2000 8.27%
MOC Short 0.56%
Momentum (2.37%)
Total (0.24%)My first losing month…not losing any sleep of course, just acknowledging that the inevitable has happened.
I’m now fully live ‘systemed’ – thanks for your help with the Api Nick – with not much to do. I have started trying to make some sense of market breadth indicators, although it’s very early days. Has anybody else spent time looking at this? I’d appreciate hearing your thoughts if so
Best wishes,
Terry
TerryDunneParticipantWelcome Steve!
My history is similar to yours – Metastock and Tradesim trend following – so I’ll be interested to follow your progress.
I now only reluctantly trend follow, for diversification rather than overall return…it took me a couple of years to this point and I’m still surprised after such a long time as a trend follower.
The people here are fantastic and very patient, not just Nick and Scott, but the members too.
I hope you find it both profitable and enjoyable.
Terry
TerryDunneParticipantHi all,
Results March 21
MOC 1000 21.34%
MOC 2000 1.85%
MR 2000 9.65%
MOC Short (0.21%)
Momentum 4.67%
Total 9.86%I wanted to add two new MOC systems, one for R1000 and the other for R2000, from 1 April but it will have to wait until I get the new Api working…has anybody else had issues with it? I imagine it’s just that I am tech illiterate. I have a call booked with Nick for next week – he’s a busy man – but if anybody had any issues that they resolved it would be great to hear about them, in case I have the same problem.
I think I might be about to run into a psychological issue…I’m now happy with my systems, with just a wish that I could find one more trend following system to add to the portfolio. However, this means that I don’t seem to have as much testing to do and I can already feel myself getting twitchy.
Best wishes to everyone,
Terry
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