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August 22, 2018 at 3:11 pm #101843DanielBaeumlerMember
My NDX Mom system is simple and delivers good backtest results (CAR > 30% over 10+ years). However, looking at the chart of some buy candidates makes me feel uncomfortable. E.g. on 31/7, the system suggested NFLX. Still very high on the rank list (ROC based) but with the recent price drop, the chart is not looking very promising anymore (from my point of view).
Hence, I went back to the drawing board looking for an additional criteria which would remove candidates with a high risk of entering a downtrend (or just moving sideways). I would expect this could further smooth the equity curve and reduce max DD and the number of loss months (apprx. 25%).
I played with several criteria which helped on some of my other systems (e.g. rank = ROC/ATR, gap filter, ROC(short term ) > x or ATR(x)/MA(C,x) > y) .
I also tried trendlines:
y0=LastValue(Trough(C,5,2));
y1=LastValue(Trough(C,5,1));
x0=BarCount – 1 – LastValue(TroughBars(C,5,2));
x1=BarCount – 1 – LastValue(TroughBars(C,5,1));
Line = LineArray( x0, y0, x1, y1, 1 );Cond = y1 > y0;
The trendline approach appeared quite logical to me in this context. Unfortunately, backtest did no show any improvements.
So, if anybody has an idea which criteria could work would be greatly appreciated.
August 22, 2018 at 9:32 pm #109021SaidBitarMemberI tested one thing similar it didnt work for me maybe it will fit your system better
Ranking is based on three roc
Forexample ranking =4x roc(c,1) + 3×roc(c,3)+3×roc(c,6)Note all durations are in months basically it is weighted ranking
August 22, 2018 at 9:52 pm #109022Nick RadgeKeymasterYou really shouldn’t travel down that path of attempting to filter specific trades out.
Its a form of data mining and will lessen the robustness of the strategy. Also consider that if you start looking hard enough you will find other setups that ‘don’t appear’ to agree with your comfort level.
Trading is not designed to be comfortable, If it were everyone would be doing it with ease.
Just tread carefully…
August 22, 2018 at 10:07 pm #109024Stephen JamesMemberAlso, be careful which AB functions you use – Trough and Troughbars may look into the future.
August 23, 2018 at 4:32 am #109025JulianCohenParticipantI have two NDX momentum systems; one is Nick’s Long term and one I wrote myself. I run them parallel to add diversity. Last month Nick’s rotated out of NFLX and mine rotated in. I didn’t like the look of that either. However NFLX is up 2.6% this month.
What do I know!
My point isn’t that Nick’s system is wrong and mine is right. They are either both right or both wrong. My point is you don’t know and long term you have written a system that returns 30%. That has to have some losers in it. Probably 30-40% of the trades.
August 23, 2018 at 7:29 am #109032Nick RadgeKeymasterI dead set didn’t want to buy WTC.au in my Growth Portfolio today. But I placed the order and, bought todays open and watched the stock move 18.5% higher…
August 23, 2018 at 9:02 am #109034DanielBaeumlerMemberThank’s guys. Really appreciate your valuable feedback.
August 23, 2018 at 11:52 am #109023RobGilesMemberFWIW the thing I love about trend trading systems such as Nicks ASX Growth Portfolio is that I have learned to not give a toss about what the stock I’m going long does. I trust the process and the robustness of the system. I would never had bought stocks like A2M (closed out at 190% profit) or ALT (up 30% odd yesterday) without simply following the strategy.
August 25, 2018 at 7:55 am #109033DanielBaeumlerMemberJulian,
I suspect there is some overlap between Nick’s Top 5 list and your top ranks. Do you buy the overlapping titles twice in each portfolio or just once?
Cheers.August 26, 2018 at 7:15 am #109042JulianCohenParticipantDaniel Baeumler wrote:Julian,
I suspect there is some overlap between Nick’s Top 5 list and your top ranks. Do you buy the overlapping titles twice in each portfolio or just once?
Cheers.I buy them twice.
I’m running both systems as separate systems so I take whatever signals are showing.
I have the same situation with my US MOC and US MR. I often get double signals but I take them both. The MOC sells it same day, the MR holds it until it says I have to sell it.
I have separate account amounts set aside for each system I run
August 26, 2018 at 2:09 pm #109044LEONARDZIRParticipantI also run Nick’s DTVI and my own NASDAQ aggressive rotation system in 2 separate accounts.
Incidentally my Nasdaq aggressive owns NFLX DTVI doesn’t.August 26, 2018 at 2:54 pm #109048LEONARDZIRParticipantMinRank = Param(“Min Rank”,20,1,500,1);
SetOption(“WorstRankHeld”,MinRank);August 28, 2018 at 9:37 am #109049RobGilesMemberLen Zir wrote:I also run Nick’s DTVI and my own NASDAQ aggressive rotation system in 2 separate accounts.
Incidentally my Nasdaq aggressive owns NFLX DTVI doesn’t.Hi Len / Nick
How do you get hold of Nick’s DTVI signals…is that the Tradelongterm subscription system?August 28, 2018 at 9:23 pm #109062Nick RadgeKeymasterYes, via Trade Long Term
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