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May 15, 2019 at 11:50 pm #101917AnonymousInactive
Does anyone have any experience/comments on using Thomson Reuters News Analytics, their data services etc? Seems to be named “Refinitiv” these days…
In particular I would be interested to know if anyone here has (either through the Thomson Reuters News Analytics service, or via other providers) successfully used news analytics data as a helper for indicators/signals in their trading systems and whether they were able to exploit an edge from it (or not)?
I understand the majority of us are probably subscribed to the Norgate data product and it is very well priced for what we get. I have been talking to John Chiang at Refinitiv about their offering. Seems to be expensive in comparison as base subscription charge is 600 USD per month and then depending on the add-ons (including the News Analytics service) it quickly escalates to 2,700 USD a month.
Still, if the idea of the News Analytics edge adds a few percentage points to returns or helps reduce risk by a few points (or both) it could still be “worth it” if we are trading reasonable enough size portfolios.
Anyone know of an alternative to the Refinitiv offering which largely provides the same News Analytics style of data service for not such a large commitment each month?
Any feedback or ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks,
MattMay 22, 2019 at 12:35 am #110020AnonymousInactiveI have continued communications with Refinitiv. They are suggesting I check out MetaStock.
@Julian and Scott, I searched the forum and found some posts where you were using MetaStock for alternative systems across other country/markets. How was your experience with MetaStock? Any pointers/tips on using their service? I am not necessarily looking to replace the Norgate service as I’m happy with it, however if I am trying to tie news analytics into the database it may be too difficult to use Norgate for tick data and MetaStock for news data in combination. I’m probably to have to go the whole hog with one or the other.
On that note, how did you end up going with the systems you were trialling in the other markets? It seems the forum trail goes dead after you commented you were next going to check out Euronext. Did any of these alternative markets/systems work out for you in the end?
If you have any opinions/comments and don’t want to post in the forum you are also welcome to email me directly on [email protected]
Thanks,
MattMay 22, 2019 at 5:02 am #110035Nick RadgeKeymasterMatt,
Have you considered Bloomberg. One of the other students works for Bloomberg in Singapore. I’m happy to put you in touch if you feel it would be beneficial to you.Nick
May 22, 2019 at 5:03 am #110036ScottMcNabParticipantHi Matt,
I was only using price data for individual stocks with no attempt to use any news or fundamental type data. I traded a few markets live (Tokyo and Hong Kong) but they each had idiosyncrasies which complicated the process enough for me to give it away. The stock download has no historical constituent lists (no de-listed stock database for backtesting) but was otherwise ok. I just ran a quick comparison of my MRV system on Norgate and Metastock over the last six months and they came within a few hundred dollars (had 2 trades different). So not much help with what you’re planning sorry.May 22, 2019 at 7:52 am #110038AnonymousInactiveScott,
Thanks for the info.
May I ask, was it the “MetaStock D/C” product which you subscribed to in this case with no historical constituents?Sales guy at MetaStock is pushing me towards their “Xenith” product (which is fine by me) but it would be a little pointless if there is no data on historical constituents.
May 22, 2019 at 8:00 am #110037AnonymousInactiveNick,
Let’s see how I go with the MetaStock idea first. If this fails, not useful etc then yes, the Bloomberg idea might float.
Have you yourself ever tried pulling in/linking news data as an additional measure to help your systems along?
Thank you,
MattMay 22, 2019 at 10:20 pm #110040JulianCohenParticipantMatthew I had exactly the same experience as Scott. I was just using it for stock data and chose the cheapest option to achieve that. In retrospect the one month free trial would have sufficed for me, so it might be worth getting your code together for what you want to achieve first and then taking a month of free access to give it a good test.
May 22, 2019 at 10:31 pm #110039ScottMcNabParticipantIt was just basic stock data (and Indices) subscription through Datalink.
May 23, 2019 at 1:50 am #110041JulianCohenParticipantYup me too
May 23, 2019 at 2:34 am #110042Nick RadgeKeymasterQuote:Have you yourself ever tried pulling in/linking news data as an additional measure to help your systems along?No.
I met some hedge fund startup guys doing it. They were pulling data from social media and all sorts of places (apparently). Not sure how and not sure if they’re still in business.
June 10, 2019 at 11:33 pm #110021AnonymousInactiveI’ve exhausted a couple of avenues so far….
MetaStock: Honestly, don’t waste your time with these guys. Their sales department doesn’t know what their support department is doing, you ask a question of sales, they tell you to go to support yourself to ask the question. Then I try support, then they don’t respond. Then support is only open during Central US business hours. Then sales say the feature is available, then I spend money buying their products, subscribing to their services, go through all the headaches of setup. Then I wrack my brain trying to work out their product trying to access the data, then more support needed, then three weeks go by and finally you get onto the right person… “Oh no that feature is not available with our products”. WTF I have to go through all manner of such rubbish just to find out the abilities of their own products is just pathetic. How a company can survive in today’s globally connected market operating this way is just mind boggling. Ok, vent over….
And by the way, their Xenith product is just a pared down version of Thomson Reuters Desktop. In itself this is quite a powerful product, but it seems it is in the realm of operating like a Bloomberg Terminal with more basic features, used for researching the hell out of one two instruments at a time. It isn’t a system design/backtesting platform. I can see why institutions use it because the analysts would be pulling all manner of data and research together just to justify to their leaders on making a single 25Mil buy on one position, but for our purposes it is not well aligned.
RavenPack: Seems to have the data I am looking for, but initial quotes are in the order of $5,000 USD per month plus. At this kind of cost I’d be needing the service/data to be improving returns by a good 15% or more and that’s even with no return on investment.
Norgate: Asked Richard Dale. They don’t offer any such service. Got a response within the same day and he even suggested ways to integrate with Amibroker should I successfully find the data somewhere. Good old fashioned customer service here for sure (even if it is that they don’t provide what you are looking for).
Refinitiv (Australia): Am now onto the Australian team. Have continued conversations with David Stewart and Catherine Taylor. Both seem to know what they’re talking about. Still no closer to understanding final costs or complexity of what I am seeking to do. Will keep going in coming days.
So I will continue working through the idea with Refinitiv. If this exhausts then I will ask Nick about his contact at Bloomberg Singapore as that would be my last port of call.
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